Tidy Up Tuesday #2.5
A few quick points this week.
Some people were concerned that David Sim, of Cerebus fame, has a reputation for misogyny – yes he does and we do not support his politics. We do however find it worth noticing that even he saw major problems with bikini armor back in the 70s.
Once again, people have rushed to assure us someone told them SMITE is okay and not appropriative. This time it’s the localization publisher and existing fanbase in China – that you can find someone to give it the thumbs up does not mean it doesn’t have a problem. Particularly when the someone is a group who are apparently already largely unconcerned with the issue and/or stand to make money by giving you the thumbs up.
Due to time and resource constraints, we are unfortunately unable to offer critiques for personal works or projects. The focus of the blog has always and will always be big commercial projects that get wide exposure because those are the projects who should know better and who do make big impacts.
We also had a query about whether we’re okay with sexy lady armor if the guys are similarly outfitted. This depends on two criteria: Are they actually equally sexualized? And why are they all dressed like this?
~ Ozzie
– wincenworks
edit: This post was unfortunately lost during the first time Ozzie retroactively numbered Tidy-Up Tuesdays, therefore it’s number is now 2.5
Tidy Up Tuesday #2.5
A few quick points this week.
Some people were concerned that David Sim, of Cerebus fame, has a reputation for misogyny – yes he does and we do not support his politics. We do however find it worth noticing that even he saw major problems with bikini armor back in the 70s.
Once again, people have rushed to assure us someone told them SMITE is okay and not appropriative. This time it’s the localization publisher and existing fanbase in China – that you can find someone to give it the thumbs up does not mean it doesn’t have a problem. Particularly when the someone is a group who are apparently already largely unconcerned with the issue and/or stand to make money by giving you the thumbs up.
Due to time and resource constraints, we are unfortunately unable to offer critiques for personal works or projects. The focus of the blog has always and will always be big commercial projects that get wide exposure because those are the projects who should know better and who do make big impacts.
We also had a query about whether we’re okay with sexy lady armor if the guys are similarly outfitted. This depends on two criteria: Are they actually equally sexualized? And why are they all dressed like this?
~ Ozzie
– wincenworks
edit: This post was unfortunately lost during the first time Ozzie retroactively numbered Tidy-Up Tuesdays, therefore it’s number is now 2.5
Even though I’m 99.9% sure they’ve never heard of or cared about this blog… it still feels like they’re trolling us.
– wincenworks
replied to your photo
“Wait.. this is from the same game as this!? Dammit creepy marketing…”
I’m confused.. what is bad about this?
And in your other post about this you seemingly mock women/men who do work in Cabaret “I’m sure it’s just a co-incidence that all the others got actual occupations” like what.. are you even saying here.
Femme fatale != cabaret performer. Femme fatale is not an occupation. Femme fatale is a trope based in the fear that every beautiful and flirtatious woman is secretly planning to seduce you so that she can destroy you and take your stuff. It is insulting to cabaret performers and female performers in general to reduce them all down to such a thing.
Cabaret Hostess, Showgirl, Cigarette Girl, Barmaid, Musician, Can-Can Dancer, Stand Up Comedian, Waitress, Lounge Singer, Magician’s Assistant, Stage Kitten, – these are all jobs linked to cabaret that a woman might have. Standing on stage in a sexy outfit while one guy looks on is not any of these jobs or any other job.
Imagine they introduce the quartet like this:
“A beefcake bad boy, smouldering loner, charming show off and a cabaret hostess.”
Also imagine she’s dressed in similarly practical clothes instead of a fragile costume with high heels (x)
Now ask yourself: Why did she have to have a “sexy” job in the first place? Seriously, why can’t she be say? A mechanic like Grace Wagner was?
From the start of the 1920s to the end of the 1940s (The Golden Age of Burlesque) was a really interesting time for changes in roles for women in America and many other nations? Why would you want to only (badly) remember (and misrepresent) the showgirls?
I mean, look at the line up from the franchise that started the four survivors vs zombies games. Look at Zoey (college student and horror movie junkie) and Rochelle (assistant tv producer and Depeche Mode fan):
Video games and media in general need to get out of this habit of making sure they put in at least one “every man” character, then some additional options for men and limit the inclusion of women to “the sexy lady” with no further consideration. There is nothing wrong with sexy ladies or ladies who make a profession out of being sexy – there is a huge problem with creators choosing to represent women only as such regardless of suitability.
– wincenworks
replied to your photo
“Wait.. this is from the same game as this!? Dammit creepy marketing…”
I’m confused.. what is bad about this?
And in your other post about this you seemingly mock women/men who do work in Cabaret “I’m sure it’s just a co-incidence that all the others got actual occupations” like what.. are you even saying here.
Femme fatale != cabaret performer. Femme fatale is not an occupation. Femme fatale is a trope based in the fear that every beautiful and flirtatious woman is secretly planning to seduce you so that she can destroy you and take your stuff. It is insulting to cabaret performers and female performers in general to reduce them all down to such a thing.
Cabaret Hostess, Showgirl, Cigarette Girl, Barmaid, Musician, Can-Can Dancer, Stand Up Comedian, Waitress, Lounge Singer, Magician’s Assistant, Stage Kitten, – these are all jobs linked to cabaret that a woman might have. Standing on stage in a sexy outfit while one guy looks on is not any of these jobs or any other job.
Imagine they introduce the quartet like this:
“A beefcake bad boy, smouldering loner, charming show off and a cabaret hostess.”
Also imagine she’s dressed in similarly practical clothes instead of a fragile costume with high heels (x)
Now ask yourself: Why did she have to have a “sexy” job in the first place? Seriously, why can’t she be say? A mechanic like Grace Wagner was?
From the start of the 1920s to the end of the 1940s (The Golden Age of Burlesque) was a really interesting time for changes in roles for women in America and many other nations? Why would you want to only (badly) remember (and misrepresent) the showgirls?
I mean, look at the line up from the franchise that started the four survivors vs zombies games. Look at Zoey (college student and horror movie junkie) and Rochelle (assistant tv producer and Depeche Mode fan):
Video games and media in general need to get out of this habit of making sure they put in at least one “every man” character, then some additional options for men and limit the inclusion of women to “the sexy lady” with no further consideration. There is nothing wrong with sexy ladies or ladies who make a profession out of being sexy – there is a huge problem with creators choosing to represent women only as such regardless of suitability.
– wincenworks
