meishuu:

So, I have been having this discussion in my fandom, and people defend the bikini armour as being “historical accurate” since some cultures “went naked into battle”. How true is this, actually?

It is certainly true some people went naked or near naked into battle, but not alongside warriors in proper armor and not in battle bikinis. There are some other important factors involved in their choice to do so.  Firstly it usually only in cases where they didn’t have access to armor and/or the battles were largely ceremonial or otherwise non-lethal. 

Armor is developed in response to weapons and usually the first forms of defense were shields.  So if you had no nudity taboo and hadn’t developed armor due to lack of resources or lack of regular conflict, you didn’t really have much choice in the matter.  Particularly since your weapons are usually tools that are made for hunting or other work.

In areas where this happened, usually the battles were no war in the sense of systematic killing of the enemy but more demonstrations of strength to intimidate others – usually over a piece of farm land or livestock.  It was used to resolve grievances and sometimes even as a regular sport.

Usually this happened where people needed everyone to work together in order to provide essential, which means you also don’t need any more land than you already control and work every day.  When you have an argument with your neighbours, you settle it to both sides satisfaction so you can resume living next to one another.

The ability to make sophisticated items like bikini armor (which is surprisingly complicated) comes from civilizations where they have sufficient surplus of resources and people they can have specialists who can trade goods and ideas. By the time you reach this level you also a real incentive to try to obtain more and more land.

At that point civilizations can start developing dedicated weapons, training dedicated soldiers (to expand your nation or defend against invaders) and their battles start to involve countless fatalities. Then it becomes worthwhile to begin the cycle of making armor to protect against the enemies weapons, and weapons to beat your enemies armor.

TL;DR: If you’re in a society that has warriors and the know-how and resources to make bikini armor, you’re in a society where your warriors wear actual armor.  There were civilizations that fought nude or near nude, but they didn’t have bikini armor, fancy swords, professional warriors or sophisticated combat techniques.

– wincenworks

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Armor from Dragon Age 2

As lots of our posts pointed out already, elements of good armor are basically always the same, no matter the wearer’s gender and body parts. 

And this here handy graphic on the left* is no different from any similar we featured before that showed a (presumably) male model wearing plate.

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*Though honestly I’m a bit disappointed how painted-on the under-armor looks in the picture on the left. And how because of that I can’t tell if there’s supposed to be some other protective layer (maybe gambeson?) beneath it.

~Ozzie

While the armor was a bit thing, I was exceptionally happy with how they took the simple concept of making warrior armor “heavier” by simply adding more protective layers on top of basic armor.

It’s more or less how most heavy armor has worked throughout history and cultures.

– wincenworks

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panchamss:

I love it when designers have pretty okay looking female armor (like maybe a some subtle boob dents and or it’s very very fitted despite being METAL) but the give her a thigh-high boots and leave that oh so precious strip of sexy, sexy leg flesh DIRECTLY where the femoral artery is

Like someone doesn’t even have to slash them she could easily just cut herself on her own armor and fucking die before going into battle someone please stop the nerds jfc

Exactly! We regularly laugh at the ubiquity of exposed thighs in female armor because of that.

Here are some highlights of that costume design trope from our ‘no pants’ tag:

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And let’s not forget about the ones which shamelessly display the double standard:

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Maybe fictional female warriors lack major blood vessels in their limbs just as often as they lack spines and vital organs in their torsos?

~Ozzie

panchamss:

I love it when designers have pretty okay looking female armor (like maybe a some subtle boob dents and or it’s very very fitted despite being METAL) but the give her a thigh-high boots and leave that oh so precious strip of sexy, sexy leg flesh DIRECTLY where the femoral artery is

Like someone doesn’t even have to slash them she could easily just cut herself on her own armor and fucking die before going into battle someone please stop the nerds jfc

Exactly! We regularly laugh at the ubiquity of exposed thighs in female armor because of that.

Here are some highlights of that costume design trope from our ‘no pants’ tag:

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[x]

[x] [x]

[x]

And let’s not forget about the ones which shamelessly display the double standard:

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[x]

[x]

[x]

Maybe fictional female warriors lack major blood vessels in their limbs just as often as they lack spines and vital organs in their torsos?

~Ozzie

Concerning my previous ask: I think it’s time we stop beating around the bush and ask the real question that has been looming. What makes a guy sexy to women? What is the “t ‘n’ a” of men? What makes Conan different from Jacob from Twilight?

Well we do have a tag… but okay. (This was the previous ask)

Well, the most obvious differences between Conan and Jacob is that Conan was what his creator, Robert E Howard (who struggled his entire life with the pressures of society and toxic masculinity) not-secretly-at-all yearned to be and Jacob is the Stephanie Meyer’s idea of semi-exotic potential boyfriend.  Check out this classic depiction of Conan by Frank Frazetta and try to remember the last time you saw a guy like this on the cover of a romance novel.

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What makes guys sexy to women (physically)?

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Well, it turns out since women are not a monolith and women don’t get to dictate beauty standards for men there’s no real standard.

Research has shown that men in general overestimate how much muscle women find attractive.  They also tend to overestimate the importance and the preferred size of penises.  (Seriously guys, don’t send unsolicited dick pics and don’t expect bragging about ridiculous endowment to help you)

Honestly though, the notion that you have to adhere to beauty standards in order to make a character attractive is kind of ridiculous.  I mean, butts are sexualized across genders. Feeling comfortable pressed up against someone and kissing them is usually a plus.  Looking like they may find you interesting as a person or want to impress you are definite help.

When designing a sexy male character: Leave the books about primary and secondary characteristics alone and forget about what manly men say a man should be like and ask, “What’s she going to like in this guy?”

Nothing is genuinely universally attractive, but at least this way you have a chance that the audience will see the appeal even it’s not for them.

– wincenworks

Gendered power fantasies and costume design | Male characters are not sexualized the same

marchoftheaprils:

Concerning my previous ask: I think it’s time we stop beating around the bush and ask the real question that has been looming. What makes a guy sexy to women? What is the “t ‘n’ a” of men? What makes Conan different from Jacob from Twilight?

Well we do have a tag… but okay. (This was the previous ask)

Well, the most obvious differences between Conan and Jacob is that Conan was what his creator, Robert E Howard (who struggled his entire life with the pressures of society and toxic masculinity) not-secretly-at-all yearned to be and Jacob is the Stephanie Meyer’s idea of semi-exotic potential boyfriend.  Check out this classic depiction of Conan by Frank Frazetta and try to remember the last time you saw a guy like this on the cover of a romance novel.

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What makes guys sexy to women (physically)?

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Well, it turns out since women are not a monolith and women don’t get to dictate beauty standards for men there’s no real standard.

Research has shown that men in general overestimate how much muscle women find attractive.  They also tend to overestimate the importance and the preferred size of penises.  (Seriously guys, don’t send unsolicited dick pics and don’t expect bragging about ridiculous endowment to help you)

Honestly though, the notion that you have to adhere to beauty standards in order to make a character attractive is kind of ridiculous.  I mean, butts are sexualized across genders. Feeling comfortable pressed up against someone and kissing them is usually a plus.  Looking like they may find you interesting as a person or want to impress you are definite help.

When designing a sexy male character: Leave the books about primary and secondary characteristics alone and forget about what manly men say a man should be like and ask, “What’s she going to like in this guy?”

Nothing is genuinely universally attractive, but at least this way you have a chance that the audience will see the appeal even it’s not for them.

– wincenworks

Gendered power fantasies and costume design | Male characters are not sexualized the same

Gamasutra: Anna Jenelius’s Blog – Armor for Dummies and/or Game Developers

Gamasutra: Anna Jenelius’s Blog – Armor for Dummies and/or Game Developers