So, I have been having this discussion in my fandom, and people defend the bikini armour as being “historical accurate” since some cultures “went naked into battle”. How true is this, actually?

bikiniarmorbattledamage:

It is certainly true some people went naked or near naked into battle, but not alongside warriors in proper armor and not in battle bikinis. There are some other important factors involved in their choice to do so.  Firstly it usually only in cases where they didn’t have access to armor and/or the battles were largely ceremonial or otherwise non-lethal. 

Armor is developed in response to weapons and usually the first forms of defense were shields.  So if you had no nudity taboo and hadn’t developed armor due to lack of resources or lack of regular conflict, you didn’t really have much choice in the matter.  Particularly since your weapons are usually tools that are made for hunting or other work.

In areas where this happened, usually the battles were no war in the sense of systematic killing of the enemy but more demonstrations of strength to intimidate others – usually over a piece of farm land or livestock.  It was used to resolve grievances and sometimes even as a regular sport.

Usually this happened where people needed everyone to work together in order to provide essential, which means you also don’t need any more land than you already control and work every day.  When you have an argument with your neighbours, you settle it to both sides satisfaction so you can resume living next to one another.

The ability to make sophisticated items like bikini armor (which is surprisingly complicated) comes from civilizations where they have sufficient surplus of resources and people they can have specialists who can trade goods and ideas. By the time you reach this level you also a real incentive to try to obtain more and more land.

At that point civilizations can start developing dedicated weapons, training dedicated soldiers (to expand your nation or defend against invaders) and their battles start to involve countless fatalities. Then it becomes worthwhile to begin the cycle of making armor to protect against the enemies weapons, and weapons to beat your enemies armor.

TL;DR: If you’re in a society that has warriors and the know-how and resources to make bikini armor, you’re in a society where your warriors wear actual armor.  There were civilizations that fought nude or near nude, but they didn’t have bikini armor, fancy swords, professional warriors or sophisticated combat techniques.

– wincenworks

Time to bring this back, as the subject of nudity and near-nudity in battle came up in a disappointing video about Barbarians and their lack of armor that was recommended to us. 

So, just to reiterate: going near naked into battle =/= going into battle in a metal/leather/fur equivalent to lingerie, therefore the fact that some real life warriors, in specific circumstances, fought naked is not a historical precedent for bikini armor. Same rules apply also to gladiators

Our advice for designers who want to convey a primitive warrior culture that either just doesn’t believe in armor or uses it just partially is, predictably, amazingly: avoid double standards.

  • Do not assume that a shirtless dude is equally sexualized as a lady in bikini top, because male muscles are sexy, but female nipples are a no-no
  • Question how and why a “primitive”, yet pragmatic culture would develop such a sophisticated and impractical, melee-inappropriate garment as a battle bikini in the first place. Should they even have a nudity/nipple taboo and if so, why wouldn’t they just throw a simple shirt or sarashi-style wrap on women’s boobs?
  • If you actually believe in heroic nudity and aren’t limited by “family-friendly” commercial standards, ask yourself: which of those ladies convey the idea of a berserking, unstoppable badass who needs no armor and which ones of a fancy lingerie model:
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Amazing topless barbarian lady artwork by @partsal​ [x], @yondamoegi​ [x] and @yanavaseva​ [x]

~Ozzie

Just as fully clothed women can be depicted sexily, so can scantily-clad women be depicted as powerful and not sexual. It’s not just about how much skin is showing.

-Icy

Vikings: War Of Clans

@avatarwill113 submitted:

I can’t believe it’s not porn.It’s the advertisement for the latest strategy game Vikings;War Of Clans!

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When I thinking Viking I think uncomfortable underwear. She has a good helmet, shame about everything else. I’m sure this will sell millions of copies, and certainly won’t be forgotten within a month.

Well, given it’s from the creators of Stormfall, Total Domination, Nords and of course Sparta: War of Empires (who had an affiliate actual steal images from a porn movie cover once) and include promotional imagery like this:

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It’s not terribly surprising to discover that this image,which is hosted on a major affiliate networking site that makes bold promises:

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Is actually fetish art, literally off deviantArt*, and the fetish in this case is highly sexualized female gladiators brutally killing each other.  This is apparently, a stock standard image that the affiliate site keeps on their servers just in case they get a client they think will match that.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is all more than a little messed up that a major advertiser thinks this is a great generic fantasy game image. (I don’t even want to think how they found this image in the first place)

– wincenworks

Looks like somebody searched the dA image category of “artistic nude.” Even if we’re stretching suspension of disbelief for the “almost naked gladiator fighters” trope, the design is just… boring. They didn’t even put in the minimal effort of giving her some kind of insignia or blood splatter or anything.

-Icy


*The artwork can be found here. Please be warned that the linked deviantArt account features disturbing content including gore and sexualized death.

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ohnoraptors:

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@bikiniarmorbattledamage, look at this magnificently empowered man.  He’s wearing a strategic banana-hammock, with thigh-high fishnets for leg protection!

So alluring!  So practical in battle!  SO EMPOWERED.  I don’t get why any man would complain about this!

Hentai Kamen, a superhero literally powered by the empowerment inherited from his BDSM worker mother, might be the male hero we all deserve! 

~Ozzie

oracle-of-secrets:

laughterbynight:

officialleoneabbacchio:

cockandpokeballs:

vietmalebeauty:

By SKiiNMODE

I’m struggling with the ‘theme’ of this shoot

i have never gone from “nice” to “im sorry what did i miss something” so fast while scrolling down a post

@bikiniarmorbattledamage

There’s so many great concepts here that could inspire empowered heroes and spinoffs.  Things could become so great if more creators looked to images like these for inspiration.

– wincenworks

Okay, so technically Alma’s look is a “form” from Ninja Gaiden but I’m going to count it as armor because well it’s apparently an artificial look designed for battle and well once you beat her enough it does change and then, after more beating, it kind of melts off her as seen in this heart touching moment with her sister Rachel.

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Butt shot included because it is literally how this character is pitched in the marketing materials for this game.

– wincenworks

If you thought Lancer Artoria Pendragon was the most insulting and sexualized take on Saber’s character, then you haven’t heard of her dark (Alter) Lancer counterpart! Unholy underboob, Batman!

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How does it stay in place? Where did her nipples go? Why do her breasts look detached from the torso? Obviously, the answer for all of the above is: evil is sexy

While the usual side of breast cleavage is not shown here, I marked “boob window” because of that boob-belly window. Also “nipple additions” for that scraps of fabric which are where the nipples should be. 

Bingo again inspired by that @eschergirls post.

~Ozzie

If you thought Lancer Artoria Pendragon was the most insulting and sexualized take on Saber’s character, then you haven’t heard of her dark (Alter) Lancer counterpart! Unholy underboob, Batman!

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How does it stay in place? Where did her nipples go? Why do her breasts look detached from the torso? Obviously, the answer for all of the above is: evil is sexy

While the usual side of breast cleavage is not shown here, I marked “boob window” because of that boob-belly window. Also “nipple additions” for that scraps of fabric which are where the nipples should be. 

Bingo again inspired by that @eschergirls post.

~Ozzie