To anyone out there designing a female character’s clothes, think of this as you do: Would this outfit be functional/practical/acceptable for a guy, too?
Good rule of thumb to follow.
~Ozzie
I think we need to start a list of rules.
– wincenworks
Kevlar doesn’t protect as well when not having good material (basically flesh) beneath it, isn’t it bad bringing up kevlar vests when that is one of the few armors that actually should be fitted not only for women but if costs would allow it, for every person that used them?
I assume you’re referring to our tribute post to the inventor of Kevlar, Stephanie Kwolek, but no – I don’t think Kevlar vests are inherently biased against women. Certainly no more than chainmail.
It doesn’t matter what kind of armor you intend to wear – the better fitted it is to you the better it will protect you and the more efficient you will be in it.
The only way it won’t apply is if you happen to have the exact same measurements at the mannequin used in production (which doesn’t apply in the cases of things like field plate – which are always custom made). As with so many things in life, being rich is a definite advantage when it comes to armor of any sort or time period.
Guidelines for police and other parties that regularly use bullet vests recommend that the wearer not change their body mass by more than ten percent after being fitted for their vest. That means bulking up, no slimming down or putting on fat.
Many women are quite comfortable wearing even covert Kevlar armor intended for men because it just happens to fit comfortably. Many men cannot fit comfortably into a standard vest because they are not “standard” shape and size (I’m one of them).
The only difference with “female” vests is allowing space for breasts, primarily for covert body armor (that is either concealed under clothes, make to look street clothes or easily concealed with a jacket). While there is less variety in stores entry level concealed vests for women cost the same as entry level concealed vests for men.
(More information about fitting a vest here, more information on the specific alternations different companies are doing to sell armor to women here)
And again, the actual reason for different shaped armor here is not about effectiveness of stopping bullets but rather about comfort while maintaining a silhouette in order to conceal the presence of the armor -by making the wearer meet society’s expectations and fit into their regular clothes.
Actual military grade armor is not just Kevlar, but also additional features such as ceramic plates. That’s why you won’t see any boob bulges on the anti-ballistic armor worn by real female soldiers (who wear the same tactical vests as the male soldiers).
Needless to say that the people who train for very specific tasks and tend to have low amounts of body fat (and so are unlikely to be busty).
There is really no reason to think of Kevlar as an inherently problematic armor for women. There’s nothing special about the way if functions, it’s simply an awesome material for making fabric for armor out of and has been the core of modern anti-ballistic armor for decades.
Like every armor of every era, modern armor is designed around the expectations of the market – as women are becoming a larger part of that market, it is adjusting accordingly.
– wincenworks
Knight’s Fable
There’s another MMO by the guys that did League of Angels — Knight’s Fable: http://knight.gtarcade.com/ I have not seen a single reasonably-armored female character on their websites. Behold!
Look at all those pointy bits. Most of their advertizing involves the female characters, though there are guys. Strangely, their armor and clothing offers full coverage.
Lastly, here is one of their actual advertizements on Facebook, un-cropped and unaltered.
Yep. Makes me want to cheer. How about you?
O_o I… have nothing to add. You probably said everything that needs to be said about this game already, lysander-gustav.
~Ozzie
Protip: If your default marketing idea is “A sexy woman in an improbable costume, but leave most of her fact out…”
You may be super creepy.
– wincenworks
Question: Is it possible to have armor that only serves as aesthetic quality versus functional quality only serve as that? Such as ceremonial armor or ancestral armor.
Of course. A lot of the armor that is on display in museums and owned by private collectors (and hence shown in books) was purely ornate and never intended to be worn into battle. After all, not setting foot on a battlefield does help improve the chances of your armor not being destroyed.
Prior to firearms, crossbows and other innovations making heavy armor redundant, it was commonplace for rich leaders who didn’t actually set foot on the battlefield to decorate their armor. Roman Emperors in particular seemed fond of looking absolutely fabulous in armor.
Even after heavy armor disappeared off the battlefield, many well-to-do had purely ornate suits made to try to capture the image of great heroes of years gone by. (This, and jousting armor intended only for sporting events, is part of where we get the myths of knights going to war in outfits they could barely move, let along fight in)
Ancestral armor was not really a thing in most places because generally a memorable suit of armor was part of an individual’s identity. A noble’s armor were also unlikely to fit their heirs – outside of Disney movies few families have identical measurements from generation to generation. Finally there was the issue that armor adapted as weapons did – wearing the previous generation’s armor exposed you to the current generation’s weapons.
The armor above was made for Sigismund II Augustus, the then King of Poland (who it seems probably never set foot on a battlefield) – and was one of twenty private armors owned by him at the time of his death. It would not have been unusual for a noble wearing such as suit in a parade to accessorize with a sash and/or long cape.
The important part about purely ornate armor is that it looks like armor – just with decorations that go beyond being practical. They still reflect the core armor values of the era but they’re just over decorated*, questionable accessorized and may have reductions made to facilitate their non-combat use (such as no gauntlets or arm protection if it’s for wearing to dinners and parties).
– wincenworks
* I say “over decorated” because there are some surprisingly heavily decorated suits of armor intended for real battles.