batmanisagatewaydrug:

Trends that should stop: having “evil” versions of female characters wear more revealing clothes and act more sexually aggressive than the “good” version, because that demonizes women’s sexuality and ties it to having lower morals and it’s just generally a shitty gross trope

Agreed so much! 

The “evil is sexy” trope is as bad, if not worse, excuse for sexualization of female characters in media as any other rhetoric we address regularly. It (sometimes literally) demonizes female sexuality, on top of objectification that is already there. Sending the gross message that women can look and act sexual on their own accord, but they’re far likelier to do that if they’re wicked.

Which, of course, is most obvious either when a good character becomes corrupted and gains more seductive attitude while her outfit all of sudden looses a couple square feet of fabric… 

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…or when there’s an evil equivalent to a good character/class/race, and that equivalent is designed as significantly more sexualized. [x]

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~Ozzie

see also: “Sex-positive” women in gaming (or lack thereof)Cia | Regime Wonder WomanBladestorm’s Joan of Arc | evil Sue Storm (Malice)

edit: My apologies for not also highlighting the even more reprehensible trend of using darker skin to signal evil – because there’s apparently still not quite enough racism in the world.

batmanisagatewaydrug:

Trends that should stop: having “evil” versions of female characters wear more revealing clothes and act more sexually aggressive than the “good” version, because that demonizes women’s sexuality and ties it to having lower morals and it’s just generally a shitty gross trope

Agreed so much! 

The “evil is sexy” trope is as bad, if not worse, excuse for sexualization of female characters in media as any other rhetoric we address regularly. It (sometimes literally) demonizes female sexuality, on top of objectification that is already there. Sending the gross message that women can look and act sexual on their own accord, but they’re far likelier to do that if they’re wicked.

Which, of course, is most obvious either when a good character becomes corrupted and gains more seductive attitude while her outfit all of sudden looses a couple square feet of fabric… 

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…or when there’s an evil equivalent to a good character/class/race, and that equivalent is designed as significantly more sexualized. [x]

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~Ozzie

see also: “Sex-positive” women in gaming (or lack thereof)Cia | Regime Wonder WomanBladestorm’s Joan of Arc | evil Sue Storm (Malice)

edit: My apologies for not also highlighting the even more reprehensible trend of using darker skin to signal evil – because there’s apparently still not quite enough racism in the world.

@lilianhalcombe submitted:

Commentary on female boobplate from Australian TV Show “The Feed”

A fantastic summary that makes me proud to be an Aussie.

Though I disagree with their conclusion on where all the ridiculous female armor needs to go – that’s pollution and I’m terrified of the prospect of video games where the enemies are sharks and squids with boobplates.

– wincenworks

The Nerdwriter’s video is primarily about the infamous ShirtGate incident, but the same analysis applies to so many people who smugly post familiar rhetoric regarding the depictions of female characters, declaring themselves right and others wrong often based off nothing more than that declaration.

Innuendo Studios (Ian Danskin) also did an in depth video series about those who are angry at the existence of criticism, specifically about the harassment that Anita Sarkeesian has endured since Tropes vs Women in Video Games took off.  If you haven’t seen it, here’s the whole series.

Please feel free to direct Angry Jacks to any of our posts or tags (eg agency, double standards, rhetoric, etc) and to seek help and resources if you’re being harassed. These are all resources we encourage people to share if you find someone posting, tweeting, etc in a misguided manner. 

There’s also an interesting TED Talk by James Flynn on one of the reasons you may have trouble talking to people from particular backgrounds.  But for now I want to talk about dealing with those who are less confused, less angry and are more smug.

Sadly, plenty of people either just don’t care what’s right and are more interested in maintaining dominance by default than they are about anything that’s ever going to be said. These people are largely the ones who try to seek out and weaponise Angry Jacks, and the ones who manufacture misinformation for their “cause”.

Attempting to engage in meaningful conversation with them, especially in their communities rarely does anything but make them feel that they’ve expanded their platform and hence gotten more “wins”.  This is why you often see people like this desperately craving “debates” (winner to be decided by them or their friends, based off what they wanted to be true from the start).

So, if you’ve tagged us in to a conversation and hoped we’d join in – please understand that we haven’t got anything to say that wouldn’t be wasted on that audience.  Everything we could say to them has been said, usually many times. This is the Internet after all.

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If anything, they will simply interpret a specific response from us as an opportunity to try to hijack our platform and boost their audience, or simply assert that they’re our nemesis and thus instantly important.  

Ultimately, that’s what’s feeding their habit – the search for bigger audiences, bigger wins and more validation.  If they can’t get that, they take joy in knowing they’re wasting time that could be spent working on problems in a more general, helpful sense (especially if they have nothing else to do).

They won’t be getting a direct answer from us.Though we’re going to continue building commentary, resources and information on all the general issues around today and new ones as they arise and to call out key figures who actually already have high profiles and big influence.

We’re also going to continue to support others who do the same and hope that eventually social media platforms like Tumblr, Twitter, etc will start taking harassment seriously.

The important thing to understand about these people though is, that not only can’t they be persuaded (without having a deep personal change of their own), but they can’t advance or provide anything useful either. 

By declaring victory for simply existing and refusing to consider any hypothetical or viewpoint other than their own, they’re inherently limiting their thinking, their contributions and themselves.  By not even taking the time to understand before responding, they’re creating a no benefit scenario:

On top of all this, they are incredibly prone to giving their money away to people who either just don’t deliver, or discover there was never anything to deliver. They also tend to find themselves limited to a very small range of supporters and options in terms of projects.

This is what happens when you choose harassment as your primary means of communication and dive deep into the No True Scotsman Fallacy

So, while we do encourage you to call out people you see spreading harmful misinformation, if their response to that is to smugly reply with claims of victory and nonsense – remember what they’re seeking is equal parts maintaining the status quo and personal validation.

They’re also seeking to antagonize others simply because without some sort of scandal (or more commonly a faux scandal based on misinformation) to expand their audience, their default status is well…

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Actually that’s not fair, Abraham Simpson III is far too good a person to be in that crowd.  Sorry about that, Abe.

– wincenworks

The video as a whole is a really great introduction to character posing in animation and why Tracer’s “lookatmubutt” pose needed to be replaced. But the last bit is the most important part for BABD, as Dan brings up how sexualization tends to compromise everything else that is established about a female character instead of being properly used as a character-building tool. Not surprisingly, two heroines we talked about a lot on BABD are brought up as examples.

Regarding Tracer’s pose redo, while I agree the new one is technically more in-character and dynamic, I still think Blizzard did a half-hearted fix job by choosing posing that’s still gratuitously sexualized for the “improved” look.

And for the record, Tracer’s design devoting way too much attention to her butt(crackhas been a problem since Overwatch’s beginnings. If Blizzard has genuine interest in objectifying her less, they could start with making her pants not ride up her colon. 

~Ozzie

h/t: @greybeck


Since Overwatch’s release date is pending, I’ve been seeing a lot of people getting excited about it’s diversity (particularly in comparison to it’s primary rival) and Tracer as a character – and I’ve noticed something.

Pretty much every favorite Tracer moment tends to frame her from the shoulders up for two reasons.  The first is that her facial expressions are magic (hopefully Disney is taking notes) and secondly because most of the top half of her costume seems designed with her personality and role in mind.

The rest of it seems designed with the intent to make sure that there’s no confusion here, the plucky, fun female character is also definitely slim and ha great legs and butt. 

Clearly her appeal is enough they really didn’t need to do that.

– wincenworks

Relevant part starting at 13:52 

The video as a whole is a really great introduction to character posing in animation and why Tracer’s “lookatmubutt” pose needed to be replaced. But the last bit is the most important part for BABD, as Dan brings up how sexualization tends to compromise everything else that is established about a female character instead of being properly used as a character-building tool. Not surprisingly, two heroines we talked about a lot on BABD are brought up as examples.

Regarding Tracer’s pose redo, while I agree the new one is technically more in-character and dynamic, I still think Blizzard did a half-hearted fix job by choosing posing that’s still gratuitously sexualized for the “improved” look.

And for the record, Tracer’s design devoting way too much attention to her butt(crackhas been a problem since Overwatch’s beginnings. If Blizzard has genuine interest in objectifying her less, they could start with making her pants not ride up her colon. 

~Ozzie

h/t: @greybeck


Since Overwatch’s release date is pending, I’ve been seeing a lot of people getting excited about it’s diversity (particularly in comparison to it’s primary rival) and Tracer as a character – and I’ve noticed something.

Pretty much every favorite Tracer moment tends to frame her from the shoulders up for two reasons.  The first is that her facial expressions are magic (hopefully Disney is taking notes) and secondly because most of the top half of her costume seems designed with her personality and role in mind.

The rest of it seems designed with the intent to make sure that there’s no confusion here, the plucky, fun female character is also definitely slim and ha great legs and butt. 

Clearly her appeal is enough they really didn’t need to do that.

– wincenworks