Liefeld Calls for Stand Against Artists Being “Crucified” in Wake of Frank Cho Spider-Gwen Controversy; Campbell, Chin, Other Pros Respond
Rob Liefeld is shocked and outraged that apparently there are people who will openly speak out against the casual objectification of women in media (particularly the Frank Cho “parody” of the infamous Milo Manara Spider Woman cover). Naturally, the totally unbiased fellow artist J Scott Campbell is right behind him!
Rob, you remember your most celebrated contribution to comics is a guy right? One who is celebrated for his personality over his aesthetic design. Your opinion is actually less relevant than Erik Larsen’s (who at least still works on his property). Seriously Rob, you’re not exactly celebrated as an artist and trying to value artists by “commercial success” is not exactly high brow.
Please brodudes, tell me again how there is no problem here and we’re just reading way too much into things and there’s never been misogynistic attitudes being perpetuated by big names in the industries. Tell me how it’s about the artistry. I am fascinated by this enlightening view, verily.
– wincenworks
Liefeld Calls for Stand Against Artists Being “Crucified” in Wake of Frank Cho Spider-Gwen Controversy; Campbell, Chin, Other Pros Respond
Rob Liefeld is shocked and outraged that apparently there are people who will openly speak out against the casual objectification of women in media (particularly the Frank Cho “parody” of the infamous Milo Manara Spider Woman cover). Naturally, the totally unbiased fellow artist J Scott Campbell is right behind him!
Rob, you remember your most celebrated contribution to comics is a guy right? One who is celebrated for his personality over his aesthetic design. Your opinion is actually less relevant than Erik Larsen’s (who at least still works on his property). Seriously Rob, you’re not exactly celebrated as an artist and trying to value artists by “commercial success” is not exactly high brow.
Please brodudes, tell me again how there is no problem here and we’re just reading way too much into things and there’s never been misogynistic attitudes being perpetuated by big names in the industries. Tell me how it’s about the artistry. I am fascinated by this enlightening view, verily.
– wincenworks
A good day to hit such a milestone, if you asked me.
~Ozzie
re: this post on double standards of body type diversity in SMITE and Overwatch
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cited: our first post about Zarya
CLEARLY, Zarya can not be a step in the right direction AND a token exception AT THE SAME TIME, because… Uh… It’s so not like she’s literally the only female Overwatch character who is not conventionally pretty*, thin and/or sexualzied, right?
…right???
How about “she’s BOTH a token exception and a step in the right direction”, then?
~Ozzie
Okay… well, if we limit ourselves to just athletes in say… Olympic level condition… this is a sample of the body and features diversity we might expect:
Given that Blizzard has said they’re making this game to improve representation for women in video games and even address things like “why all the bikinis?”
Zarya is currently the quick “we fixed it” response from a company with a long history of going back on their “fixes”. They’re preaching that they want to fulfill the desire for diversity – but the sexy purple skinned assassin lady, a robot, a gorilla all got priority over so many types of real people.
Currently they are only vaguely close to meeting their stated goals due to a few isolated, individual characters. Pretty much all the tokenism alarm bells are ringing loud and clear.
“Much good work is lost for the lack of a little more.“ – Edward H. Harriman
– wincenworks
*Not to say that Zarya is ugly. She’s still “unconventional” in the safest way possible.
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A friend’s request for a bodily comparison of the gods and goddesses of Smite.
I’m having a flashback to this Overwatch silhouette comparison (pre-Zarya, the token exception, that is):
original source: [x]
Eyup. Typical. Men tend to be all shapes and sizes, while women are just slight variations of the same “shapely” figure.
[x]
[x]
~Ozzie
With a very few exceptions, pretty much every time I see a game brag about diverse body shapes – I wonder if they hired the same “expert” consultant that Levi’s did:
– wincenworks
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Break the Bingo – A CONTEST! (less than 4 days left! + updates)
Deadline UPDATE: The submissions must be sent till 11:59 pm CET on March 31 2015!
FAQ answer UPDATE:
- Edasypogon commented: I saw that multiple versions of a single design were permitted, and was wondering how literally one is to design *an* armour (as opposed to ‘a few’). That is, is it intended that a *single* design checks the whole card by itself, or could I submit a few variations that cover different or event mutually exclusive squares? i.e. variant A has a full boobplate, variant B covers just enough to technically avoid being indecent, so neither gets 100% but together they tick all the boxes.
- Hm, your proposition meanders the rules a bit, but yes, SURE, we encourage creative solution to how self-contradicting the bingo card is!
If you feel like using different squares on different levels of the same armor and then combine all of them in one bingo card, go for it!
Prize UPDATE: There might be additional surprise prizes, so don’t forget to enter in time!
~Ozzie
– wincenworks
As a sendoff for the site’s and Female Armor Bingo’s anniversary, we prepared a little something for you guys: a Female Armor Bingo art contest!
We’ve been noted numerous times by our readers how tempting it is to design an “armor” so absurd that it crosses out ALL the Female Armor Bingo squares. So far no commercial work we tested the game on succeeded at that (though some came dangerously close), so how about we actually DO take this challenge?
The challenge: Design a skimpy female armor that covers every single possible point of the Female Armor Bingo.
The contestant MUST be the author of submitted art. Any type of art may be submitted, as long as its contents are clearly readable and presented as a standard web friendly file (jpeg, png, etc).
Already existing art is fine, as long as the contestant formally submits it, as per rules.The contestants: To take part in the contest a person needs to have either tumblr account or deviantArt account, as we need legitimate way to contact the winners and track back their artwork. The contestant must either follow BABD on tumblr or BikiniArmorBeDamned group on deviantArt.
Anonymous submissions to tumblr are automatically disqualified!The deadlines: All submissions have to enter via Bikini Armor Battle Damage’s submit box as image posts (with a “Contest entry” note in description) or to BikiniArmorBeDamned dA group’s Female Armor Bingo CONTEST folder before 31 March 2015.
The winners will be announced on bikiniarmorbattledamage 5 April 2015 (the Easter Sunday).The prizes: 3 winners will be chosen and 3 prizes are offered. 1st place winner gets to choose the prize first, second one chooses after them, third one gets whatever prize is left. The available prizes are:
- A Steam copy of Life Goes On offered by wincenworks
- 1 full-color commission of a chosen character either as a chibi or a portrait, or a full-body detailed sketch offered by ozziescribbler
- Picking a topic for the next How Do I Armor comic post with the winner’s original character portrayed in-comic by wincenworks
If anyone’s interested in contributing more prizes, please contact us!
Keep in mind some bingo squares are directly or indirectly contradictory (a boobplate that covers only nipples?). We’re counting on your creativity with overcoming that.
Bonus points if you manage to score both the bingo 1.0-exclusive Cameltoe and 1.1-exclusive “How does it attach?!” points!~Ozzie
– wincenworks
Additional rules FAQ:
- kinsoliloquy replied: ??? why don’t we have a contest to design armor that doesn’t cross any of the bingo categories?
- Because that would be neither funny nor challenging.
We KNOW how a good female armor is supposed to look, but we don’t know yet how far the worst of female “armor” can go.
So, as we’re all in on the joke about bikini armors being awful, why don’t we try to consciously break the bingo in the most amusing ways?
- teaandinanity replied: Is ‘Looks Nothing Like the Male Version’ a free space for the purposes of this contest?
- The choice is up to contestant: they are free to leave out the square (without getting any negative notes for that), but inclusion of a male version for comparison is definitely appreciated as additional effort.
Using a stock image of male armor just as a placeholder for comparison is good too.
Similarly for the ‘More advanced level = skimpier’ square. Depicting more than one version of the same armor counts as additional effort, but showing just one level of the armor is fine.
- Ettid commented: Since there’s ‘Looks nothing like the male version of the same outfit’, would it then be okay to find a male armour from a game/movie/cartoon/something and then design the skimpy armour based upon that?
- Sounds okay to us. Our advice is to make the skimpy version’s design have no more than two or three elements in common with the good original (like, only the color scheme and some ornamentation), so that it’s more ridiculous and arbitrarily related to it. Just like in real games/comics!
It’s okay to not show male version of the submitted armor (this won’t be judged negatively, we’ll just assume male armor would look cool and protective), it’s also totally acceptable to use a stock male armor for comparison. The ideal option is to design both regular male armor and ridiculous female “equivalent” for it from scratch, but it counts as extra credit work and not necessarily required of the contestants.
- Robert J Brien commented: Don’t they need to design multiple versions? Like a Male and a lower level to get the full card?
- We encourage creativity in conveying the comparisons. So long as it’s clearly conveyed we’ll accept it whether it’s by multiple versions or narrative.
- NuttyNuti commented: Is it possible to send more than one entry? I have two design ideas and I can’t make up my mind with which one to use.
- We don’t see why not. Obviously, only one of multiple entries from the same person can win. But sure, submit as many designs as you wish.
- HystericalMellotron commented: 1) Is there a problem if it’s a traditional art entry?
2)I also would like to ask if I can submit my entry as a 2~3 panel short story >_.- Neither is a problem! As the rules say, any type of art is good 🙂
- albino-ottsel said: I’m working on my submission to your Break The Bingo contest and my dad came in to ask me something and I had to scramble to hide what I was drawing. Mission accomplished?
- jasamludarobota said: I was working on my entry for your contest and someone came up behind me and asked if I was designing a body pillow. So I think I’m doing pretty good.
- Yup, we think you guys are doing it right. Good luck with explaining what were you actually doing XD
If you guys have any more questions about the contest or want to donate extra prizes, make sure to contact us!
~Ozzie